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  • flop I think the check is a mistake in low-mid stakes. People do not necessarily check 100% there and, more important, do not XR flop or turn enough. So your thin value and bluff bets don't get as punished. So with this type of hand I would just BBX. Like half pot flop, half pot turn and check back river. On this particular turn i probably would still bet half pot, on a non-heart K maybe check. As played don't raise turn, you will get 3b too much, villain is very skewed towards value here (what …

  • pre flop good Flop bet is fine, size is whatever. This also a spot where you can go for XR, our hand is strong enough on this board (villain has almost no 2pair). If you bet, on blank turn is also a good spot for XR. On this turn you definitely cannot go for 3 streets of betting. I think I would rather bet turn than checking, because i expect some regs to check back some draws (because they know you are XC a fair amount here) and because they will be inclined to call losely with some A high, bec…

  • Yeah, this is one of those spots where regs will be playing massively unbalanced. Flop he will have the 6x a lot of the time, so we should just probably fold, despite it being massively exploitable. Turn we still don't have the odds to call vs 6x, despite the 11 outs. Again, it is a tight fold but a correct one if villain never has a worse hand. River is the street where I would manage to fold even in my worst days. This 6x 99% of the time. He has it every time.

  • pre flop good flop 1/3 bet seems fine to me. Vs small raise seems like a call to me yes, villain will not be bluffing that often but we have good pot odds and outs against most of villain's range. Turn don't see any reason to bluff our hand, don't see better hands that fold. River we a bluffcatcher. But this seems like fold. A decent part of villain's pre flop call/call range is usually 77-JJ type (which might raise small flop), and can value jam river. So fold seems good.

  • Quote from borabahêa: “Quote from poop_scoop: “Once you check and face a half pot bet it is not easy call, since BB still in the hand, although usually they don't check too strong there. ” Should BB donkbet his strong hands? ” Not really a donkbet in the sense that the PFR already checked. Should BB lead his strong hands? I dunno, in theory maybe a decent amount since his cold call 3b range should hit this board. In practice, not sure either, depends on how stabby will BU be. Overall people don'…

  • pre flop good flop 1/3 bet fine/standard. Vs raise, not an awesome spot overall but we are not folding this hand. You can either jam, which is fine, or call and plan to donkbet all in on safe turns. I like that second option, you just put combo draws in awful spot. The check turn i am not in love with because i feel that a lot of villain that decide to raise flop with AhJh, QhJh, JhTh, Jh9h, Th9h, AhTh, QhTh, 9h7h, AhQh they will tend to check back turn. And that is why i am suggesting donkbetti…

  • pre flop is interesting. I always consider the option that BB just didn't see your 3bet and missclicked call. And MPN is a network where that actually happened to me a bit. If in addition to this read you also don't see this move done by regs, then that is an extra point for this being a misclick So if we take the read seriously i think you can get away with a 1/3 bet flop, against BB misclicked call range BBvBU it's a value bet, and against BU is certainly fine as well. Without those reads, BB …

  • Those min bets vs fish work best in HU spots where you are IP. In mwp is not very good. My opinion is that BB would not raise with air once BU fish calls, there is a good chance that fish has something and won't fold, so I assume BB is honest here most of the time, so this is mostly a value raise, and that includes very thin value like Qx or even hands like 88, draws like FDs or SD like A5. Turn is a call, villain can still have worse Qx for value, and some bluffs of course. River we have a bluf…

  • yeah, just jam flop. Villain is pretty much priced in with AK, so if he folds that (and other OCs) it is really good for us.

  • Quote from borabahêa: “ Quote from chief: “Mmh river is just a fold, what were your thoughts? ” I thought I could fold river yes, maybe it would the best but a fishy player could show a JX for value or AXs bluff on the river, so TPTK could be the botton calling range here. I think it really depends on what kind of fishy is he. Ingame I betted he was one of the worst. ” If you think villain is bad enough that you can call river, then he is bad enough that you should probably raise small flop for …

  • Should be mostly calling 3b i think, BUvSB

  • T8s should definitely also be in villains range, maybe T7s as well. And it is not clear to me that A2s should or would fold turn everytime. Also we cannot exclude that villain has QJo sometimes. But agreed, it is a thin value bet.

  • agree with chief comments. XC turn is fine, but betting is also cool. As played I would prefer a lot more to bet river, even on diamonds. People don't like to bluff river after they check turn, it's just not a common bluff line, so i think we end up loosing value against weaker Tx and worse pairs that villain calls a bet but does not bet himself. As played we have to call, and the main reason is that villain might (correctly) value be worse.

  • Flop call is good i think for 1/3. Turn AK maybe bluffs, at least sometimes, but in practice i don't like it, we make him fold nothing better. River you have a bluffcatcher. Don't think this is a bluff line too much on this board, a hand like KQ usually either bluffs turn or does not bluff river. I could be wrong of course. But fold seems good to me

  • Agree with chief

  • i meant pfr actually

  • Usually in UT/MP OOP as SRP you will be checking a lot of flops. This particular one depends a little bit if BU has AK in his range or not. Anyways for this particular spot XF with AJno backdoor seems like a fine line to take. Betting 1/3 does not seem to acomplish much to me, villain will be folding almost nothing (maybe stuff like JTs no BD). Betting 2/3-3/4 maybe villain now folds 44-66, but he still continues 88-JJ and Kx. So overall seems best to XF.

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  • It does not work that way, at least in theory. Because villain should have bluffs despite the board having less draws. It is easier to look at it from the value hands point of view: if no straights possible and few 2pair, then TP is a strong hand, either for value betting and for calling bets. If both players have let's say 32 combos of straights then it is easy to see that TP is medium weak hand, both for betting and calling. Exploitatively you may make the point that people do not triple barre…

  • You have a bluffcatcher, you can always fold if you think your opponent is not bluffing enough. You can always dig a bit deeper in combo counting and calculate how many bluff combos villain's needs to show for you to have an ok call. Having the Jc certainly does not help. Anyways I think it's hard to say if villain will be bluffing enough or not, they are certainly possible natural bluffs, it depends a lot on what type of hands villain 3bets. I don't think i have a preference here for the action…